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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-5151</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I StumbledUpon this. I don&#039;t play FFXI at all (or any MMO for that matter) but I found this to be very interesting from a cultural/linguistic point of view. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I StumbledUpon this. I don&#8217;t play FFXI at all (or any MMO for that matter) but I found this to be very interesting from a cultural/linguistic point of view. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Golerath - Midgardsormr</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-4433</link>
		<dc:creator>Golerath - Midgardsormr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im also from australia and personally, i hate the whole NA hate thing, im not NA and hate when im put in that class, not everyone is rude and a complete arse so why there are people like that out there, its unfair that the NA people, influence every english speaking person. 
We are not all bad, infact i personally think im very polite and well manner, and i try to do right by anyone i pt with or help reguardless of language or how ill-mannerd they may be toward me. (undertandably thou i do have my limits)

But the whole English player Image is sourly soiled by those few NA players that are in my opinon over all bad people. Its one to disagree with someone and how they do things, but its another to just be a complete arse about it and just talk down to people, I hate elietists and personally think the way the japanese player base plays is a very friendly and peacful way... 

In saying that youll find the &quot;bad type&quot; of people anywhere in the world its a sad fact but its human nature, but as for the whole NA only, and JP only thing. Its understandable but its unfair, specially to the few like myself are considered a &quot;NA&quot; player just because we somewhat share the same language thou my playtime is the same as Japanese players.

Ive met my fair size of Nice people and a amount of bad people, over all every Japanese player ive met have been nice towards me, and ive been nice towards them. frankly im not saying that all NA players are like this, but the only problems i get on ffxi are from NA players, even other english speaking players find some people rude, and im more than sure some japanese players find some of thier own players rude.

its human nature we need to get along. but i do have a problem with being linked with one countries problems purely based on a shared language.

Well theres my 2cents + a tad bit of a rant lol, but on notes, &quot;auto translate&quot; could be easier to use with more things to say, and Politely written on both sides,
/check msg should be disabled period, And people need to worry about themself only and not how others play the game, its thier money thier char, so get over yourselves if you think your better. until you know all the facts and the background about some you shouldnt judge them.

Many things need to be changed, alot of it is attitude based and a degree of people needing to simply grow up and get over thierselves.

Thanks -Golirath</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im also from australia and personally, i hate the whole NA hate thing, im not NA and hate when im put in that class, not everyone is rude and a complete arse so why there are people like that out there, its unfair that the NA people, influence every english speaking person.<br />
We are not all bad, infact i personally think im very polite and well manner, and i try to do right by anyone i pt with or help reguardless of language or how ill-mannerd they may be toward me. (undertandably thou i do have my limits)</p>
<p>But the whole English player Image is sourly soiled by those few NA players that are in my opinon over all bad people. Its one to disagree with someone and how they do things, but its another to just be a complete arse about it and just talk down to people, I hate elietists and personally think the way the japanese player base plays is a very friendly and peacful way&#8230; </p>
<p>In saying that youll find the &#8220;bad type&#8221; of people anywhere in the world its a sad fact but its human nature, but as for the whole NA only, and JP only thing. Its understandable but its unfair, specially to the few like myself are considered a &#8220;NA&#8221; player just because we somewhat share the same language thou my playtime is the same as Japanese players.</p>
<p>Ive met my fair size of Nice people and a amount of bad people, over all every Japanese player ive met have been nice towards me, and ive been nice towards them. frankly im not saying that all NA players are like this, but the only problems i get on ffxi are from NA players, even other english speaking players find some people rude, and im more than sure some japanese players find some of thier own players rude.</p>
<p>its human nature we need to get along. but i do have a problem with being linked with one countries problems purely based on a shared language.</p>
<p>Well theres my 2cents + a tad bit of a rant lol, but on notes, &#8220;auto translate&#8221; could be easier to use with more things to say, and Politely written on both sides,<br />
/check msg should be disabled period, And people need to worry about themself only and not how others play the game, its thier money thier char, so get over yourselves if you think your better. until you know all the facts and the background about some you shouldnt judge them.</p>
<p>Many things need to be changed, alot of it is attitude based and a degree of people needing to simply grow up and get over thierselves.</p>
<p>Thanks -Golirath</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-2841</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I live in Australia, I play with many Japanese players. A while back, I use to have a hard time with the &quot;JP Only&quot;s, I would get. I use to get around it by inviting a JP player and getting him to invite the other members, who were JP only. I can understand why Japanese players want to do this now. 

 Also many people with English as their 1st language even have problems with gamma, so learning as a 2nd, well, what hope is there?

 On the mixed servers, I do agree SE should have surveyed what both Japanese and English players want before doing anything. People can want the most unthinkable things, thus surveys are really needed yo find out for sure.

 With the auto-translator, SE really should heed to  what their players want. More phases and ways to communicate with others of different languages, would make it a lot easier. 

 Thank you very much for putting this together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I live in Australia, I play with many Japanese players. A while back, I use to have a hard time with the &#8220;JP Only&#8221;s, I would get. I use to get around it by inviting a JP player and getting him to invite the other members, who were JP only. I can understand why Japanese players want to do this now. </p>
<p> Also many people with English as their 1st language even have problems with gamma, so learning as a 2nd, well, what hope is there?</p>
<p> On the mixed servers, I do agree SE should have surveyed what both Japanese and English players want before doing anything. People can want the most unthinkable things, thus surveys are really needed yo find out for sure.</p>
<p> With the auto-translator, SE really should heed to  what their players want. More phases and ways to communicate with others of different languages, would make it a lot easier. </p>
<p> Thank you very much for putting this together.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobius</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-2734</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 07:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have thought a lot about this, and have always wondered what the Japanese think about us. I don&#039;t want to write a huge post, but I think the biggest reason is that we don&#039;t understand, or realize, that certain things are considered by them as rude. For instance, I understand that flooding the chat with /shouts is rude, and it&#039;s rather obvious why, but by some of their responses, it seems like they almost condone /shouting in general.

As well as NA players (generally) feeling that finding a replacement for themselves is doing the party a service, rather than an inservice. This in part is the reason I love what you have done here, it can help us realize some of the things they find rude, selfish, or just plain annoying, and maybe now we can try more to understand their point of view.

Last thing! The biggest help to me personally was reading that they were happy when we try to speak Japanese. I was always unsure about this, I thought that they might think that I was trying to mock them, or that I shouldn&#039;t try to speak Japanese, if I couldn&#039;t speak well, this is definitely something I will start doing more ^^.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have thought a lot about this, and have always wondered what the Japanese think about us. I don&#8217;t want to write a huge post, but I think the biggest reason is that we don&#8217;t understand, or realize, that certain things are considered by them as rude. For instance, I understand that flooding the chat with /shouts is rude, and it&#8217;s rather obvious why, but by some of their responses, it seems like they almost condone /shouting in general.</p>
<p>As well as NA players (generally) feeling that finding a replacement for themselves is doing the party a service, rather than an inservice. This in part is the reason I love what you have done here, it can help us realize some of the things they find rude, selfish, or just plain annoying, and maybe now we can try more to understand their point of view.</p>
<p>Last thing! The biggest help to me personally was reading that they were happy when we try to speak Japanese. I was always unsure about this, I thought that they might think that I was trying to mock them, or that I shouldn&#8217;t try to speak Japanese, if I couldn&#8217;t speak well, this is definitely something I will start doing more ^^.</p>
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		<title>By: Overkill</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-2560</link>
		<dc:creator>Overkill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I myself am a very polite NA player, and dont have a problem with play with foreigners, although it is very difficult to say thaings complex that dont make sense thru the auto translate. I think SE should split the servers judging theres not as many players anymore and for high end gaming you need complex strategies to communicate with others. SE has migrated other ppl to other servers in the past and befoer it gets any worse they should separate servers quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I myself am a very polite NA player, and dont have a problem with play with foreigners, although it is very difficult to say thaings complex that dont make sense thru the auto translate. I think SE should split the servers judging theres not as many players anymore and for high end gaming you need complex strategies to communicate with others. SE has migrated other ppl to other servers in the past and befoer it gets any worse they should separate servers quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyofooyo</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyofooyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason that the impression of rude NA characters is because the &quot;bad characters&quot; tend to be cocky and rude to make up for their lack of skill.

However, I have not seen much of this JP/NA segregation in Asura. in the FFXIAH forum that led me here, it could possibly be because Asura was created much later than the original servers, but all the JP characters I have interacted with seem very pleasant and I myself have never had an unpleasant experience with them. However, I don&#039;t know if they liked or disliked me.. but I tended to keep quiet in the party because I couldn&#039;t communicate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason that the impression of rude NA characters is because the &#8220;bad characters&#8221; tend to be cocky and rude to make up for their lack of skill.</p>
<p>However, I have not seen much of this JP/NA segregation in Asura. in the FFXIAH forum that led me here, it could possibly be because Asura was created much later than the original servers, but all the JP characters I have interacted with seem very pleasant and I myself have never had an unpleasant experience with them. However, I don&#8217;t know if they liked or disliked me.. but I tended to keep quiet in the party because I couldn&#8217;t communicate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronny</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-1390</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestinmg, but known =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestinmg, but known =)</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmyjazz</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-1381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmyjazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-responding a few months after the fact but... great insight into the feelings and opinions of those we spend so much time together with. way to go! and arigatou to all the Japanese players who took their time to respond^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>-responding a few months after the fact but&#8230; great insight into the feelings and opinions of those we spend so much time together with. way to go! and arigatou to all the Japanese players who took their time to respond^^</p>
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		<title>By: Страстная</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>Страстная</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>умные мужчины всегда умеют сформулировать грамотно и страстно мысли..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>умные мужчины всегда умеют сформулировать грамотно и страстно мысли..</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
		<link>http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=551&#038;cpage=2#comment-879</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has to be the most interesting and also educational thing I&#039;ve ever read regarding this game. And it&#039;s not limited to FFXI, but to Japanese-English (speaking) views on a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be the most interesting and also educational thing I&#8217;ve ever read regarding this game. And it&#8217;s not limited to FFXI, but to Japanese-English (speaking) views on a whole.</p>
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